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Tuckahokie
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Exactly...Medicare for All means that Medicare would have to bring their
reimbursement rates up to private insurance levels. The cost savings disappear....or we lose a sizable percentage of Healthcare providers.
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Will unions back the Sanders/Warren plan of eliminating private insurance?
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BambooHoo
09/16/2019 07:37AM
I think this is the issue that derails Sanders completely and forces Warren
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Maupin233
09/16/2019 12:40PM
If:
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hoolstoptheheels
09/16/2019 1:17PM
Just wait until a significant % of primary care Drs
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Moneyshot
09/16/2019 10:50AM
Yeah because that never happens with private insurance. Besides for most
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Seattle .Hoo
09/16/2019 12:10PM
Of course it’s happening today...the point is
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Moneyshot
09/16/2019 1:24PM
I don't know how to break this to you but rich people will always get
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Seattle .Hoo
09/16/2019 2:26PM
Are you missing the point on purpose?
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Moneyshot
09/16/2019 2:57PM
Easy. Just make concierge practices illegal **
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BocaHoo91
09/16/2019 11:54AM
Maybe, but I can’t believe that would be legal.
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Moneyshot
09/16/2019 11:58AM
I dunno...are the elites (from either party) going to wait with the masses? **
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Tuckahokie
09/16/2019 2:18PM
Oh it would most certainly be politically acceptable. "Look at all these
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BocaHoo91
09/16/2019 12:01PM
Unfortunately, I think that’s probably right. **
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Moneyshot
09/16/2019 1:48PM
I think many think of that as the primary benefit derived from their unions
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hoolstoptheheels
09/16/2019 09:17AM
I saw a UAW head supporting it a few months ago
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WahooMatt05
09/16/2019 08:12AM
UAW members come out of pocket for only 4% of their healthcare costs with
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Tuckahokie
09/16/2019 08:54AM
They might prefer it in wages. **
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Shenhoo
09/16/2019 09:15AM
Then they have to pay taxes on it. **
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PBCHoo
09/16/2019 09:40AM
Maybe...but Medicare for All will be a downgrade in quality for them. **
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Tuckahokie
09/16/2019 09:19AM
How so? **
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111Balz
09/16/2019 09:21AM
Because there's not one sane person on the planet that would trade a
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CharlestonSC
09/16/2019 09:30AM
Why? what is the difference? What do union members
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111Balz
09/16/2019 09:34AM
It's the apt comparison because Medicare wouldn't exist as is if it expands
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CharlestonSC
09/16/2019 09:36AM
I have company supplied private insurance and every claim
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111Balz
09/16/2019 09:41AM
You know what you have now. The good and bad. You or anyone else has any
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moohoofus
09/16/2019 10:42AM
Of course it's negotiated down ... but it's not fiat pricing with the gov't
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CharlestonSC
09/16/2019 09:49AM
I've read that, but 20 years ago there was not much
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111Balz
09/16/2019 09:57AM
Exactly...Medicare for All means that Medicare would have to bring their
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Tuckahokie
09/16/2019 09:40AM
Why would it mean that? If it’s the only game in town providers seem to
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southdenverhoo
09/16/2019 11:11AM
Look at reimbursement rates for Medicare versus private insurance...how
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Tuckahokie
09/16/2019 09:29AM
Are you saying we are giving our seniors poor quality health care? **
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111Balz
09/16/2019 09:33AM
Jesus Christ, buddy ... this is really simple: If a given hospital has 10
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CharlestonSC
09/16/2019 10:01AM
Hippocratic Oath? **
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southdenverhoo
09/16/2019 11:22AM
I'm a fan of the Hippocratic Oath, but a believer in the reality that on
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hoolstoptheheels
09/16/2019 11:29AM
Oath isn't taken by administrators who do scheduling, purchase equipment,
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CharlestonSC
09/16/2019 11:26AM
Or fear of med mal? **
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southdenverhoo
09/16/2019 11:24AM
So, it's NOT that simple. For many reasons.
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111Balz
09/16/2019 10:24AM
I would love to see a study of outcomes between Europe and
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BocaHoo91
09/16/2019 10:37AM
Basically this. Controlling for all other variables like obesity, etc, I'd
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CharlestonSC
09/16/2019 10:45AM
Yes, I suspect that if we control to eliminate the effects
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111Balz
09/16/2019 10:55AM
I'm talking about controlling for the variables that have little to do with
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CharlestonSC
09/16/2019 11:06AM
Of course not. Never said otherwise **
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111Balz
09/16/2019 11:25AM
Well you sort of imply it by mocking SC's suggestion that we should
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BocaHoo91
09/16/2019 11:59AM
Because we are digressing a bit from the original point
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111Balz
09/16/2019 1:43PM
Addressing only your last sentence: the reason to assume it might be true
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CharlestonSC
09/16/2019 3:24PM
1) he ain’t gonna be the nominee; 2) if supplemental
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111Balz
09/16/2019 3:39PM
Do you really think our system causes lazy fat asses to
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BocaHoo91
09/16/2019 11:02AM
Don't Europeans generally have a better diet and a subsequently lower BMI
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Tuckahokie
09/16/2019 10:41AM
They certainly have far lower rates of obesity. Diet is likely a part
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BocaHoo91
09/16/2019 10:47AM
Regarding the UAW and their new strike, do other auto companies
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HoosWillWin
09/16/2019 08:50AM
Be wary of “If you like your current plan you can keep it”
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BambooHoo
09/16/2019 08:42AM
Does she really want to eliminate them or just give them a
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HoosWillWin
09/16/2019 08:01AM
She and the Bern want to eliminate private insurance, and they are making
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hoolstoptheheels
09/16/2019 09:18AM
If you and Charleston are correct, that is just plain stupid. I haven't
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HoosWillWin
09/16/2019 09:33AM
To clarify, I support Medicare for all or something like that, which will
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HoosWillWin
09/16/2019 09:34AM
Then you don't favor "Medicare for All" which mandates that
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hoolstoptheheels
09/16/2019 11:01AM
Mandating an enrollment in Medicare doesn't mandate that you must
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HoosWillWin
09/16/2019 1:52PM
I don't think you're right about that. Medicare for All Warren and Bern
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hoolstoptheheels
09/16/2019 3:10PM
In the real world, if Dems win presidency, senate, and house
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DanTheFan
09/16/2019 09:57AM
Until the penalty for not having insurance is beefed up significantly the
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Tuckahokie
09/16/2019 10:07AM
Then it's not "Medicare for All". By definition, that's a mandate.
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hoolstoptheheels
09/16/2019 09:44AM
OK. I need to get my language in line with everyone else. I thought
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HoosWillWin
09/16/2019 09:53AM
"Medicare for All" eliminates private insurance.
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hoolstoptheheels
09/16/2019 10:42AM
Disagree slightly. I get that for the most part it will disappear, but it
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HoosWillWin
09/16/2019 1:49PM
Here is a link to an anlysis of the dem ideas.
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hoolstoptheheels
09/16/2019 3:32PM
I will grant you that for some period of time the insurance industry will
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hoolstoptheheels
09/16/2019 3:15PM
Evidence suggests yes ... she's got a plan for everything but healthcare
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CharlestonSC
09/16/2019 09:14AM
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